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Apologies for the rushed nature of post Recently I saw this post on twitter and it got me thinking is there another way?
So lets run through the rough problems as outlined in this tweet.
- Numbers have context (suprising I know!)
- What time period is best when looking at fantasy score history
The general gist of the post is that Max Gawns numbers vs the bulldogs as outlined in the fantasyfreko post here are misleading because of the timeframe it looks at.
To do this using [fitzRoy] and the [tidyverse]
library(fitzRoy) library(tidyverse) ## -- Attaching packages -------------------------------- tidyverse 1.2.1 -- ## v ggplot2 2.2.1 v purrr 0.2.5 ## v tibble 1.4.2 v dplyr 0.7.5 ## v tidyr 0.8.1 v stringr 1.3.0 ## v readr 1.1.1 v forcats 0.3.0 ## -- Conflicts ----------------------------------- tidyverse_conflicts() -- ## x dplyr::filter() masks stats::filter() ## x dplyr::lag() masks stats::lag() df<-fitzRoy::player_stats df1<-fitzRoy::get_footywire_stats(9514:9603) ## Getting data from footywire.com ## Finished getting data df<-df%>%filter(Season != 2018) df<-df%>% filter(Season != 2018) #filters out the 2018 data (incomeplete that was downloaded when installing fitzRoy for first time) df2<-rbind(df, df1) df2%>%filter(Player=="Max Gawn" & Opposition=="Western Bulldogs") ## Date Season Round Venue Player Team ## 1 2013-06-29 2013 Round 14 MCG Max Gawn Melbourne ## 2 2013-09-01 2013 Round 23 Etihad Stadium Max Gawn Melbourne ## 3 2014-06-29 2014 Round 15 Etihad Stadium Max Gawn Melbourne ## 4 2015-08-16 2015 Round 20 Etihad Stadium Max Gawn Melbourne ## 5 2016-05-15 2016 Round 8 MCG Max Gawn Melbourne ## Opposition Status Match_id CP UP ED DE CM GA MI5 One.Percenters ## 1 Western Bulldogs Home 5662 4 6 6 60.0 1 0 1 4 ## 2 Western Bulldogs Away 5742 2 0 1 100.0 0 0 0 1 ## 3 Western Bulldogs Away 5880 5 4 8 88.9 4 0 1 4 ## 4 Western Bulldogs Away 6133 4 5 5 55.6 0 0 0 0 ## 5 Western Bulldogs Home 6242 6 2 3 50.0 1 0 0 3 ## BO TOG K HB D M G B T HO GA1 I50 CL CG R50 FF FA AF SC CCL SCL SI MG ## 1 0 84 6 4 10 5 1 0 6 33 0 2 2 3 0 2 2 100 92 NA NA NA NA ## 2 0 56 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 14 NA NA NA NA ## 3 0 86 4 5 9 5 1 1 0 23 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 64 72 NA NA NA NA ## 4 0 92 5 4 9 2 1 0 4 32 0 1 2 1 1 1 1 81 74 0 2 6 94 ## 5 0 82 3 3 6 2 0 1 1 42 0 0 2 6 1 0 3 59 49 1 1 3 7 ## TO ITC T5 ## 1 NA NA NA ## 2 NA NA NA ## 3 NA NA NA ## 4 0 0 1 ## 5 3 2 0
From there we can see that it is a bit misleading. As we are looking at games going back to 2013 and I do believe that Max Gawn is very different to todays Max Gawn. Another thing was raised was that Max wasn’t the first ruck. We can check this by looking at the matchIds and looking at just those games statistics we would do that like this.
df2%>%filter(Match_id %in% c("5662","5742","5880","6133","6242"))%>% filter(Team=="Melbourne")%>% filter(HO>0) %>% arrange(desc(HO))%>% select(Date, Season, Round, Venue, Player, Team, HO) ## Date Season Round Venue Player Team HO ## 1 2014-06-29 2014 Round 15 Etihad Stadium Mark Jamar Melbourne 43 ## 2 2016-05-15 2016 Round 8 MCG Max Gawn Melbourne 42 ## 3 2013-06-29 2013 Round 14 MCG Max Gawn Melbourne 33 ## 4 2015-08-16 2015 Round 20 Etihad Stadium Max Gawn Melbourne 32 ## 5 2013-09-01 2013 Round 23 Etihad Stadium Jake Spencer Melbourne 25 ## 6 2014-06-29 2014 Round 15 Etihad Stadium Max Gawn Melbourne 23 ## 7 2015-08-16 2015 Round 20 Etihad Stadium Tom McDonald Melbourne 9 ## 8 2013-09-01 2013 Round 23 Etihad Stadium Max Gawn Melbourne 7 ## 9 2015-08-16 2015 Round 20 Etihad Stadium Chris Dawes Melbourne 7 ## 10 2016-05-15 2016 Round 8 MCG Cameron Pedersen Melbourne 6 ## 11 2013-06-29 2013 Round 14 MCG Jack Fitzpatrick Melbourne 3 ## 12 2014-06-29 2014 Round 15 Etihad Stadium Cameron Pedersen Melbourne 3 ## 13 2013-09-01 2013 Round 23 Etihad Stadium Jeremy Howe Melbourne 2 ## 14 2013-09-01 2013 Round 23 Etihad Stadium Colin Sylvia Melbourne 2 ## 15 2015-08-16 2015 Round 20 Etihad Stadium Jack Watts Melbourne 2 ## 16 2013-06-29 2013 Round 14 MCG Jeremy Howe Melbourne 1 ## 17 2013-06-29 2013 Round 14 MCG Chris Dawes Melbourne 1 ## 18 2013-09-01 2013 Round 23 Etihad Stadium Jack Trengove Melbourne 1 ## 19 2015-08-16 2015 Round 20 Etihad Stadium Heritier Lumumba Melbourne 1 ## 20 2016-05-15 2016 Round 8 MCG Dom Tyson Melbourne 1 ## 21 2016-05-15 2016 Round 8 MCG Tom McDonald Melbourne 1
Looking at that as an example we can see that in one of the games Fantasy Freako is referring to, Max was the second ruck behind Mark Jamar. So again pretty misleading.
Another idea, and this might be more topical is to look at a plot of how much fantasy points the Bulldogs give up to ruckman this year.
df1%>% filter(Opposition=="Western Bulldogs")%>% filter(HO>0)%>% ggplot(aes(x=Date, y=SC, label=Player))+ geom_point()+ geom_label(size=3)
Another way you might want to see the same graph is by putting the number of hitouts in that game next to the player name. This is handy if you want to see who the dominate ruckman was.
df1%>%filter(Opposition=="Western Bulldogs")%>% filter(HO>0)%>%ggplot(aes(x=Date, y=SC))+ geom_point()+ geom_text(aes(label=paste(Player,"" ,HO)))+ theme(axis.text.x = element_text(angle = 90, hjust = 1))
df1%>% filter(HO>0)%>% group_by(Player)%>% summarise(averageSC=mean(SC))%>% arrange(desc(averageSC)) ## # A tibble: 108 x 2 ## Player averageSC ## <chr> <dbl> ## 1 Nathan Fyfe 135. ## 2 Joel Selwood 135 ## 3 Michael Walters 132 ## 4 Max Gawn 129. ## 5 Brodie Grundy 126. ## 6 Oliver Wines 120 ## 7 Trent Cotchin 114. ## 8 Marcus Bontempelli 110. ## 9 Scott Pendlebury 109 ## 10 Justin Westhoff 107. ## # ... with 98 more rows
Looking at this table we can see that the one other full time ruckman that scored lots of SC points vs the Bulldogs was Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn actually averages more SC points over Grundy.
So the question is what teams do these two players gets lots of SC against?
Well we could look at the 2018 data like so.
df1%>%filter(Player %in% c("Brodie Grundy","Max Gawn"))%>% ggplot(aes(x=Opposition, y=SC,colour=Player))+ geom_point()+ geom_text(aes(label=paste(Player," ",HO," ",CM)),size=2)+ theme(axis.text.x = element_text(angle = 90, hjust = 1))
What we can see is that they have played the same team 8 times and out of those 8 times Gawn has had more supercoach points in 5 of those games.
Max Gawns over/under as per tab pre game is 129.5 is there some value there?
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